Thursday
3rd February
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No More Mr. Nice Guy!!! (508 messages) |
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(Warning: Due to the nature
of this week’s message board, visitors may find some of its
contents offensive and unsuitable reading). George McAulay
argues that the UK has been feminised not because the
feminists have right on their side but because men have turned
the other cheek and let them get away with it.
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Women
will become unemployable Dr. K. Seunarine
- 10:17am Thu 03 Feb 00
Thanks to the feminists we
have a situation where employers dare not fire their
female employees. Women are given jobs not on their
merits, but because they have beautiful curvy bodies and
the politically correct believe they are the same as
men.
Every week there is a woman claiming compensation for
sexual discrimination/harassment for silly reasons such
as her boss glanced at her knee. As women are given more
and more rights (more than men) they will become more of
a liability in the work place and a serious threat to
the competitiveness of all companies. These companies
will be forced to review their hiring procedures and
will probably reject applications from women (maybe just
paying them lip service). So women when you become
unemployable you will have the radical lesbian feminists
to thank.
Oh lookie whilst I've been typing this I've just
received an e-mail from an insurance company. They say
that they can't give me a quote as they only insure
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Re:
Women will become unemployable sarah
stokes - 02:57pm Thu 03 Feb 00
There is sexual
discrimination already in the workplace - both
positively and negativeley biased against women. Some
employers discriminate against young women because it is
viewed they will want to start a family and therefore
will take maternaity leave, which many small business'
can ill afford. On the other hand some women are
baically employed to 'balance' statistics for equal
opportunities. Neither of these situations enables a
woman to feel they gained employment on their merit
alone. Granted there are a lot of stories in the media
regarding women making claims against sexual
discrimination. But the law is there for a reason, and
if it stops one person taking advantage of another
(whether male or female), we can put up with some of
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Re:
Women will become unemployable Darren
Thompson - 04:34pm Thu 03 Feb 00
Dr Seunarine how
can you be so naive ? Companies employ people who can
make money for them. If they don't they lose out to the
more efficient. Obviously being able to choose a woman
or a man for a job , gives them a greater range to
choice from (ie: x 2). Most people who get married or
are in long-term relationships want to earn alot of
money themselves , and would like patners who does the
same. So everybodies happy , not much to do with
feminism directly. As Marx pointed out ideas tend to
gain popularity when the economic conditions demand
them. Good chap Marx as long as you stick to his
analysis. Final thought , why do people worry so much
about who has the high paying jobs , rather than the
fact that 90% of paid work in advanced economies has
nothing to do with people's needs. How many farmers,
health professionals , manufacturers of essential
products ? How much does the economy value them ? Just a
thought. |
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Gender
solution fini ? Darren Thompson - 10:49pm
Mon 31 Jan 00
Personally I think all the women in
the world should be killed , then all the men should be
killed (by tranis). Think of all the problems that would
solve. Green house warming ? Amercian sitcoms (apart
from Frasier & Elan ) ? The irrating woman in the
Renault advert (whoops) ? ;-)
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Two
wrongs don't make a right John McGarvey2
- 11:21am Mon 31 Jan 00
Why is it that I should be
blamed for something I didn't do. I didn't oppress women
as I didn't enslave black people but I'm made to feel
guilty for history. TV adverts are blatantly sexist,
promoting aggression and discrimination and when you
mention it you are greeted with, 'now you know what it
feels like'. Two wrongs don't make a right. Being a male
is fast becoming an oppressed group, perhaps I should
complain to Brussels? |
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Discrimination
Dave Goodman - 12:52pm Thu 27 Jan 00
I won't deny the fact that women are perhaps still
discriminated against. However, this is also the case
for men, yet they are expected to just accept this. What
we need to do is to readdress both issues, not just the
feminist issue and try to live more happily together
without all this bitchiness!!
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TOP
BLOKE Dave Goodman - 12:43pm Thu 27 Jan
00
At last some guy's had the guts to address an
issue which is ignored by women, as it is seen as being
sexist if a man stands up for male rights, but not for a
women to. George, you are a top geezer and have the full
support of ALL of us blokes in Britain!!
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Re:
MESS WIV ME I FINK NOT! Jo Balls -
12:50pm Wed 26 Jan 00
look i've calmed daan some
what... but i really would like to hear your version of
reality, cause BABY mine is the truth and ya know it!
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Re:
MESS WIV ME I FINK NOT! Donald McCaskey -
12:07am Thu 27 Jan 00
Jo, If you're drug induced
reality is the truth, I think I'd prefer to live a lie.
Come on, be honest, you must've been on something
when you made your original post. Just what point were
you trying to make? |
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Iron
George S.J. Anderton - 11:32am Wed 26 Jan
00
I thought Counter Blast was an excellent
programme, relating issues that do concern many people.
In a time when people are expected by society to conform
to the opinions governed by political correctness and
the media, I think it is essential that the public can
express their opinions without being branded sexist,
homo-phobic or racist. Though some people don't agree
with George, his opinions should be respected. Like many
others I think George is concerned with the way family
values in Britain seem to be slowly dying out. The media
too seems only concerned with womens rights while mens
problems are overlooked. I thought the whole point of
equal rights was for us to be equal, yet women seem to
have the upper hand in the face of society and in the
eyes of the law. |
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Fishy
emmeline spankhurst - 11:01am Wed 26 Jan
00
A lot of support has been expressed on this board
for the UK Mens' Movement. However, I haven't read any
that declare they are a member of the organisation. The
UK MM will presumably all have been informed about
George's big TV appearance; a few of them presumably
have computers as the Movement has a website. This means
some (many?) of the postings you are reading on this
board by men expressing support for G as if they had
never heard of him or his ideas before, know him and his
Movement intimately; but aren't mentioning the fact so
as to give the impression of a great tidal wave of
support.
A little deceptive, non?
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Re:
Fishy Peter Fisher - 01:38pm Wed 26 Jan
00
You might be right, I don't know, but personally
I had never heard of the UK MM. I didn't see the
programme, but heard 3 blokes discussing it and work and
it just struck a cord with me.
As for a great tidal wave of support, I don't know,
but if happily married men like me are starting to take
notice, then boy somethings up!
I have 2 sons, who are quite openly discriminated
against at school, the other day for example all the
boys were kept in but not the girls. I get the
impression that men are getting angry.
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Re:
Fishy T Tang - 08:04am Thu 27 Jan 00
Dr. K. Seunarine,
There is medical evidence/proof for this. It is
called "aspergus" (sp?) syndrome. I saw an excellent
documentary about it, but missed the follow up details.
Since I work in a hospital, I might pop over and ask a
consultant about it . . .
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Bitch
- Busters??- are you serious? siobhan
mckenna - 01:58pm Tue 25 Jan 00
i had to keep
changing the channel last night because the content of
Mr. Idiots' argument was too unbearable to watch. Does
the man not read history? He clearly has never met a
real women. Feminist approaches can be quite millitant (
by the way not all feminist are [continued]
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Re:
Bitch - Busters??- are you serious?
Donald McCaskey - 09:39pm Tue 25 Jan 00
Siobhan,
Wake up and smell the coffee. We currently live in a
situation where, if a man and a women of equal ability
go for the same job, in all likely hood the woman will
get it because the employer is afraid of being accused
of sex discrimination, especially if the employer's
"quota" of women workers is low. Positive
discrimination, although illegal, is actively encouraged
and promoted, and by the government no less. I would
have more respect for women and women's issues if they
were prepared to compete with men on an equal footing.
But they're not. They want all these safeguards and
quotas and if these aren't enough to guarantee them that
job or this promotion then they cry "foul" and run to
the equal ops commission.
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Re:
Bitch - Busters??- are you serious?
siobhan mckenna - 03:52pm Wed 26 Jan 00
Donal-
Postive discrimination, affirmative action, quotas have
been introduced to "redress the imbalance of past
history" if women and men were treated equally from the
beginning we would not need these programs. As it
stands, less women than men are found in middle and
upper management when they are there they are paid on
average 20-25% less than a man doing the same thing.
this is not the case always, but more frequently than
not. It is to do with visibility, the same applies to
ethnic minorities and disabled.Why are men so afraid of
women? Equality opportunity, equal pay and equal respect
is what it is all about. So you wake up and smell the
coffee!!!!!! |
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Re:
Bitch - Busters??- are you serious?
Donald McCaskey - 07:53pm Fri 28 Jan 00
Siobhan,
Positive discrimination is illegal, that means it's
against the law. Why should men stand back and allow
their rights to be erroded to redress a history that
they did not make. The employment practices of
yesteryear were nothing to do with me, so why am I
suffering for them? If women are truly equal, then they
should be prepared to compete for jobs and promotions on
that basis. Anything else makes a mockery of the whole
thing. You ask why men are afraid of women. Perhaps the
fact that women won't compete on this basis is the
answer. |
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Bitch - Busters??- are you serious? T
Tang - 08:35am Thu 27 Jan 00
History is written by
the victors. When Hitler came to power he had all the
school history books burned and re-written. According to
his new "revisied" edition, the Germans intervned to
save the Allied forces in the first world war.
What about the Bible? How many versions are there?
Which is the correct one? How do you translate eastern
culture and beliefs into english?
I do not think that women should be treated as second
class citizens, as outlined in you message. But I have
always felt that MEN were treated as second class
citizens, who have no say and no rights.
Do you agree that men should be given rights equal to
those of women? Do you believe that flawed sexist
legislation should be opposed and overturned? Do you
believe in justice?
I suspect you do - your message sounded intelligent
and rational - but you have only been aware of
transgressions that affect your good self - ie
transgressions agains women.
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Feminists
can indeed be terrorists Melissa H -
01:25pm Tue 25 Jan 00
Mr McAulay had some valid, and
touching things to say. Extreme feminists terrorise not
only men into silence, but bully women into going along
with their agenda - even if it means sacrificing their
families for the 'good' of all (other) women. I don't
deny the women's movement has helped [continued]
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Positive
Discrimination - Where? emmeline
spankhurst - 10:47am Wed 26 Jan 00
"Positive
employment discrimination..." Can someone tell me what
these quotas are because I really wasn't aware we had
them in this country. Which companies actually lay aside
a certain percentage of their jobs exclusively earmarked
for female applicants? I think this is certainly
incorrect: female CEOs are still very much a minority.
However I await correction: but facts please and figures
not rants. What are the companies' names?
What I think you may be referring to are training
programmes a few companies may run in order to try and
encourage more women to APPLY for managerial positions:
this however is far from handing them a job on a plate.
Businesses will always have financial not social
interests at heart in the end. I think you'll find +ve
discrimination is something of a myth.
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Re:
Positive Discrimination - Where? Donald
McCaskey - 11:59pm Wed 26 Jan 00
Ok Emmeline, why
don't we start with the Government. Since you obviously
don't understand what positive discrimination is, I'll
go through this very slowly. Women-only candidate
shortlists basically means only women can apply to
become a candidate for election as a Labour MP. That
means men can't apply to be [continued]
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Re:
To all the ladies here.. Patricia Dolan -
11:14am Tue 25 Jan 00
Ken, Jezzie's abusive reply to
your posting should make you realise that George McAuley
has a point. We have become a society in which respect
has lost its mutuality (if there's such a word.) Some of
the comments from women on this board, many of them
extremely abusive, only underline George's point. George
is a good man who has a right to be angry. He is
addressing an issue of great injustice in our society,
and he deserves the support of all who genuinely believe
in equality. |
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George,
what are you on? Graham Clark10 - 10:57pm
Mon 24 Jan 00
George, do people like you really
still exist? Bernard Mannings got nothing on you has he?
Where was you're evidence? If your gonna spout rubbish
about why its 'natural' for men to lead the family and
the fact that women are allowed to ride roughshod over
men in the workplace then at least have the sense to
back it all up with some decent data not just a couple
of sad blokes like youself speaking the same
mis-informed bull"@*%. Before you ask, I'm a bloke like
you but unlike you I don't blame women for my lot in
life. Lets face it George, without the strength and
commitment of women neither of us would be here. Heaven
help your kids if the rubbish you came out with tonight
is shaping their view of the world where all living in
today. If nothing else your programme only served to
convince me further of a guideline I try to live my life
by - never trust a man with a 'tashe. 'Come and 'av a go
if you think your hard enough' indeed. Idiot.
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Re:
George, what are you on? Patricia Dolan -
10:09pm Wed 26 Jan 00
Graham, You asked for
evidence. Actually, it's there, if you have the courage
to look. Try your local employmentn agency, for
starters. They will be able to show you, amongst other
things, that young boys leaving school are not getting
jobs, but that girls are. This is absolutely tragic,and
no one has the courge to do anything about it. By the
way, George McAuley - about your ape man comment. I
thought exactly the same thing when I read Graham's
posting! |
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George, what are you on? Graham Clark10 -
08:49pm Thu 27 Jan 00
I can asure both George and
Pat that my views are in no way an attempt to 'pull',
far from it, I just happen to believe that George's
ideas and those of his fellow anti-feminists are simply
an attempt to turn back the clock to a time when 'women
knew their place' as then men like George knew where
they stood unlike now where he is lost. However George,
if 'ape man posturing' is your view of males who are
sympathetic to the female cause then there really is no
reasoning with you is there? |
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George, what are you on? Donald McCaskey
- 08:40pm Fri 28 Jan 00
Graham,
If your views are not an attempt to "pull" then why
didn't you express some counter arguments instead of
just saying "your talking bull"? Come on, if you really
are "sympathetic to the female cause" you must have
hundreds of facts and figures at your disposal. Why not
use some?
What, you don't have any? At all? You mean, you
really are just here to impress the ladies? Bad form,
Graham, really. |
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equalisist
donna stringer - 10:19pm Mon 24 Jan 00
tons of essential points and issues submerged in
defensiveness and fear. a better future would see both
sexes unite to outdate the unwanted extremes in both
genders. we are responsible to ourselves and each other
in aiming for a balanced and equal society which
encourages the individual expression of self. love and
let live. |
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equalisist T Tang - 08:47am Thu 27 Jan 00
Yes! Yes! Yes! The voice of reason!
IMHO the reason why men and women are unable to
reconcile their differences is exactly because we see
men and women as different! Try substituting the word
"people" instead of men or women. And dont use gender
words such as "male" or "female"!
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Patricia
Patricia Dolan - 09:44pm Mon 24 Jan 00
George, I can't tell you how pleased I am that you
are campaigning on this issue. I am appalled at the
abuse in the media towards men. A couple of years ago I
remember a woman saying on TV, "The only thing men care
about is what's between their legs." [continued]
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Re:
Patricia Tony Luxton - 09:54pm Mon 24 Jan
00
I'm not flaming you, this is a serious question.
Er, are you a woman? |
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Patricia Patricia Dolan - 10:01pm Mon 24
Jan 00
Yes, I am a woman. Have you ever heard of a
man called Patricia? |
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Patricia Tony Luxton - 12:25am Sat 29 Jan
00
No, but you never know nowadays!
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It's
not equal, so not just! Jack Elphinstone
- 09:41pm Mon 24 Jan 00
This strong view has been
well documented, and George McAulay has don a sevis to
justice! The woman have bean bigits, and deseve to be
torte if thay are perperd to lerne only the females who
have open minds. I have agead with meney things that
this true man has said, but we all need to love each
other more, that is the only way mankind will progres.
we shoudn't forget the lesons that Gundi, jesus, JL and
the dialama thort us. like thous famas words "all you
need is love" and the rest will fall into place. but
ther is injustice hear some geners think that ther own
ar superar, but we all know this is not true. so what
did pepole like Gundi did when ther was ingustice shall
we do the same? yes, but only peasefuly.
I want to know how I can get some teaching materal
from this movment to show some teenage childran. pleas
let me know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you can ad to my coments send to :-
thankyou love Jack. |
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It's not equal, so not just! emmeline
spankhurst - 09:46pm Mon 24 Jan 00
Jack- are you
serious? I have never seen such bad spelling in my whole
life. And I teach children. What happened at school,
Jack? Too busy considering your own oppression to pay
attention to the lady at the front? Please don't give
this man any teaching materials.Ever. No, I mean it.
He'd send it back and ask what language it was in.
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Re:
It's not equal, so not just! Donald
McCaskey - 08:51pm Fri 28 Jan 00
If you are a
teacher emmeline, then this country is in serious
trouble. When I was at school, teachers, both male and
female, were at least sympathetic towards those pupils
who were struggling to learn. You're attitute seems to
be, "He's a man, give him up as a lost cause!".
Hopefully, once the Government gives local
authorities more power over bad teachers, teachers like
you can be shown the door and real teachers who actually
care about education standards, regardless of the sex of
the pupil, will be employed in their place.
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Net
Etiquette Stephen Page - 09:36pm Mon 24
Jan 00
FYI: To everyone typing in caps. Please read
the Usenet.faq's.
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Net Etiquette imag inary - 10:29pm Mon 24
Jan 00
HAVE YOU STOPPED TO THINK THAT WE MAY BE
angry? |
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Net Etiquette T Tang - 08:54am Thu 27 Jan
00
There is a saying. "Anger is no argument". The
moment you resort to personal insults or throwing rocks
at each other, you lose the intellectual argument.
Long messages in caiptals are harder to read than
lower case messages, so I just skip them. Shout as loud
as you like. |
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Angry
Mike Doyle - 09:25pm Mon 24 Jan 00
George is angry and so am I. I'm angry that 10,000
men a year die of prostrate cancer and only £47000 is
spent on research. Compare to research on womens
diseases
I'm angry that a recent home office report concludes
that domestic violence is equally split between men and
women but there is no support for men.
I'm angry that males of all ages commit suicide at
far greater rates than women but no-one seems to care.
There are 34 female labour M.P.'s illegally elected
because of women only lists.
The list goes on.
I'm angry that feminism presents women as all good
and men as all bad. Femninism is about womens rights not
equality. Its the most ridiculous ism since communism.
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Re:
Angry -- you're talking rubbish Caroline
Hadley - 09:37pm Mon 24 Jan 00
medical research
funding is arbitrary and can never be attributed to
male/female discrimination - that is absolutely absurd.
MS kills more people than AIDS (as do many diseases and
conditions) yet AIDS receives HUGE amounts of research
funding. why? it's certainly nothing to do with the sex
of the victims. don't reduce it to "women's diseases"
and "men's diseases" - you're just adding to the kind of
stupid discrimination we're trying to abolish here.
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Re:
Angry -- you're talking rubbish craig
collins - 06:50am Tue 25 Jan 00
It has a lot to do
with the sex of the victim.Why are male popstars like
Elton John and George Michael doing Aids concerts all
the time? To raise money to defeat a disease that mainly
affects gay men.Would they do these concerts if Aids
killed primarily women? |
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Re:
Angry -- you're talking rubbish Caroline
Hadley - 09:29pm Tue 25 Jan 00
craig - you've just
proved the opposite - by pointing out that a disease
that affects men is getting WAY more money than any
disease affecting mainly women!! medical research
funding is based on a myriad of reasons, some of which
make sense, some of which are seemingly arbitrary and
based on money/etc. besides - i hardly think that the
male-dominated world of science would be funding breast
cancer research over prostate cancer research just
because of some pro-female discrimination.
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Re:
Angry -- you're talking rubbish Donald
McCaskey - 08:15pm Fri 28 Jan 00
By and large,
medical research in this country is funded by the
government. A government appointed commitee decides how
that money is spent. That, in a nutshell, means that
research is politically driven and whatever is "flavour
of the month" gets the most funding. When Aids first
came on the [continued]
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